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#104) Aren't bronies and furries the exact same thing? I think it's funny that so many bronies get offended when they're compared to furries. I don't see furries getting quite as offended about the comparison. Hah.

Answer: This is really the million-dollar question: are bronies and furries the same thing? The answer is, awkwardly, a little bit of both. Let's set the cards upon the table: there are all sorts of variables that come into the equation when defining exactly what a brony is. That's the first difficulty; if a brony is merely an adult watching the show, then you can't effectively argue that they're furries by definition just for doing that. If you did, then any parent watching the show with their child, or anyone who watched "Watership Down" or "The Animals of Farthing Wood" as children, or myriad other cartoons about animals, would be furries, which is ludicrous.

Just watching "Friendship is Magic" doesn't create a latent association with furries, despite what some people might tell you. Would watching a documentary about polar bears make you into a furry? Not at all, and the same logic would apply here. That said, when you start looking at both of the fandoms, you can certainly see trends that exist across both that suggest that while bronies and furries are not the same thing, they do have similarities and overlapping tendencies. Creating a ponysona is virtually the same as creating a fursona; people may get on my case about that, arguing that furry OCs are more anthropomorphic than ponies, and yet, funnily enough, a common counter-argument from cloppers that I often have thrown at me is that the "Ponies have human characteristics, making it more acceptable." It's funny how we cherry-pick arguments that suit us for a given purpose, isn't it?

Honestly, furry sites quite often host "Friendship is Magic" art, which seems to suggest, as you observed, that furries have less of a problem with bronies than the other way around. This may be because a relatively negative stigma is often attached to furries, and bronies wish to distance themselves from that. Never mind that bronies also have a fairly poor reputation online for much the same reasons as furries (and for a few reasons unique to the bronies, as well); to many bronies, the association with furries is too much to accept. I'm not going to go into depth on where the brony and furry fandom differ – suffice to say that both are appreciators of things relating to animals/with animal features, and there are many similarities in how bronies express their interest in the subject matter with how furries do. Dressing up in fursuits, for example, is done at pony conventions; role-playing is an incredibly active part of both as well, especially with the aforementioned original characters.

Ultimately, then, it really depends on how much of a brony you are. If you do go to conventions dressed up in a big Rainbow Dash fursuit, while role-playing with your ponysona and drawing copious amounts of art of said character, then I don't really see how you can't be regarded as a furry, at least to an extent. You may have some sort of prideful mental blockade against the association, but really, any differences are so minor that they fall into obsolescence. A lot of furries dislike the brony community as much as certain bronies dislike them, and would argue for hours over tiny details that separate the two groups. There are also plenty of furries who are also bronies, and vice versa; it's really quite a peripheral disagreement, when both are pretty much equally disliked by most of the internet. To outsiders, both fandoms are frequently seen as being animal-abusing weirdos; in such circumstances, perhaps bronies and furries would be better off being buddies? Strength in numbers, and all that.



#105) My most concerning question about the Brony fandom is why does it seem that just about every "Brony" I run into is a complete ass? It seems that no matter where I meet them, whether it be in real life, or on the internet, I can't find a "Brony" that is generally a good person. It seems that all I find are these "Brony trolls" (for lack of better words), whose sole purpose in life seems to be having fun at others' expense.

In my own personal experience, I've run into these "Bronies" who have hacked games, putting themselves at an unfair advantage for their own gain (as a gamer, this can be very frustrating), to constant bantering and bickering from Bronies (whether it be toward these "haters" or not).

Now you can pass this off as just "people having fun on the internet", but isn't this kind of fun exactly what the show tries to fight against? Isn't the ultimate moral of our beloved show to be the very best person that you can, not only to those you care for but to all living beings on Earth? It kills me that I've seen Bronies preach "love and tolerance" one second then turn to insulting another person's entire way of life the next. It's sickening.

What do you think? Do you think it's all in my head, or have you seen this more than your fair share of times yourself?


Answer: Liking "Friendship is Magic" doesn't make you into a good person. Too many people seem to believe that liking the show requires you to be a saint. It creates unrealistic expectations towards a bunch of people who, like everyone else, are flawed. Nobody is nice all of the time, and just because people like MLP it doesn't mean that they have to represent any form of social virtue.

That said, by saying that every brony is an ass, you're also suggesting that bronies are a unique case, which isn't especially true. Plenty of people are asses, and it just so happens that you've been exposed to a lot of bronies who fit that bill. I'm not saying that most bronies aren't asses – most of them probably are, because most people are in general – but I am suggesting that by arguing that bronies are worse than other people, you're potentially overestimating their ability to suck.

I find your point about bronies hacking video games to be relatively superfluous – that's just bad luck, but it's hardly a common theme throughout the fandom. Plenty of people get an unfair advantage by fiddling around with games, and the majority of those people won't have even heard of the fandom. Constantly 'bantering and bickering' is an interesting one, because bantering is very different to bickering. Bantering is jovial in nature and light-hearted; you can't really dislike bronies for that. Bickering, though, is a legitimate concern, and one that you see in the brony fandom a lot. You do see the same from other fandoms, I'd point out, but it is certainly something that you will undoubtedly see from bronies.

Most interesting of all, however, is this quote from your question:

"Isn't the ultimate moral of our beloved show to be the very best person that you can, not only to those you care for but to all living beings on Earth?"

This is a common misconception. Nowhere has the show ever suggested that; while the general themes do permeate the show, they don't define it. What you're doing there is watching a show and applying your own reading to it; one that is largely tossed around among bronies, but not one that the show itself crafted. "Friendship is Magic" doesn't teach you morals that you wouldn't get from countless other cartoons, dealing as it does with issues such as overcoming jealousy, selfishness, bullying and so on. This sort of symbiotic relationship between people and 'living beings on Earth' that you're speaking of isn't actually expressed in any way in the show. You can infer something to that effect from the friendship lessons, but don't fall into the pitfall of thinking that the show is preaching some sort of message of moral righteousness. You are very much exaggerating the intention of the show.

'Love and tolerance' doesn't work: people fail to adhere to it; it creates unrealistic expectations of people; and, like the last point, it's not derived from the show. Bronies who latch onto it are living in a pipe-dream – humans are far too petty and vindictive to ever love and tolerate everything, and neither should you even feel compelled to do so. Not everything should be tolerated. There are some things that are, without a doubt, unacceptable, and I would agree with you that it is sickening to see people using 'love and tolerate' as a shield when they're on the defensive, and some sort of weapon of acceptance when they're on the offensive. It's a completely redundant phrase that means nothing, and anyone who says that they live by its code are, from a realist's perspective, barely living at all. To criticise things is to improve them; if you loved and accepted everything, nothing would ever get done. In conclusion: some bronies are asses, just as a lot of people are; some of your comments are vast generalisations while others are reasonable.



#106) I am a brony, and there has been this nagging question running through my mind. I am a heavy fan-fiction writer, and am gearing toward writing a MLP fan-fic of my own. Should I be worried about the possible hate this might bring overflowing my messages?

Answer:  Only if the fan-fiction sucks – then you'd probably be better off keeping the idea to yourself. However, if you think you have a story that is worth sharing, then go ahead and make the thing. I'd tell you that you'd have to watch your grammar and the like, but as a group bronies are hardly the most authoritative literary critics. I once did a study into a rather terrible fan-fiction that was full of typos and errors and found that it received nothing but praise:

"You're an AMAZING writer!" one fellow posted.

"This could be a published book, holy shit!" another added.

Scanning the first (enormous) paragraph I spotted seven grammatical errors, two misspellings, an assortment of syntactical oddities, some weird diction surrounding speech and a complete lack of knowledge about how speech should be written in general. But that was good enough to be published, according to a user who had too many numbers in his name for me to remember it. Even in this advice column, with its utterly informal tone, simple things such as spelling and punctuation are vital.

All of this is to say that you don't have to be a good writer to become a popular writer in this fandom. If you did, "My Little Dashie" would have been panned as a flowery and faux-sentimental collection of teenage ruminations that would have been laughed out of any respectable publishing house. "Fallout Equestria", meanwhile, would have been dissected and torn apart to remove inevitable filler and the over-stuffing of sentences with endless adjectives. Bronies don't tend to be published novelists, and so it's understandable that their stories wouldn't be perfect. Therefore, you shouldn't be too worried about criticism from any literary angle. Further to that, as long as you don't write anything too distasteful, I can't imagine what 'hate' you would receive; probably no more than any other brony writer does.

Go: be the creative power-house you were born to be!
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XxOneTrickPonyxX Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2013
I think that the main thing that is to be remembered with regard to being a furry or a brony is that as far as I know (as my knowledge of furries is very limited). A furry likes to act as if they are an animal, make an animal online persona and dress up as animals at cons they go too.

Now taking all these things on the first sight it would be easy to say that the 2 communities look alike a great deal, brony's tend to do all these things however the important difference is in the reasons!
If my little pony was called my little humans, and all ponies were turned into humans the brony fandom would all have humans as avatars, and would dress up as the humans in the show!

The point that i'm getting at is that while bronies and furies seem so much alike just for the fact that bronys talk about ponies... which happens to be an animal the fact that they are ponies has nothing to do with the reason why bronies like the show, making a pony avatar is simply a way of recognizing other people who enjoy the show as well and making it easier to find one another in a vast online world. It is in no way a desire to be a horse. putting on a rainbow wig means you want to celebrate the personality and traits of rainbow dash... not the pony.. the personalty!

(on the argument that the existence of Clopping makes that bronies and furrys are one I only have to say: there is porn of everything, EVERY fandom has a large portion of porn, its even a rule of the internet, deal with it.... what is the big deal to begin with?)
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MillenniumFalsehood Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2012
#104 I'd have to say that they are similar, with a couple of exceptions.

First, Bronies are brought together by a specific show, My Little Pony. Furries don't have to be attracted to a certain show to like certain animals. Some have Native American roots and choose to express them through being a furry (no joke; I saw this on a forum dedicated to furries once). Some of them like the idea of being a type of animal because they think it suits their personality. Bronies on the other hand like ponies specifically, and the only reason they do is because they like the show, not just because the pony shape appeals to them.

They also are more fans of particular characters than they are fans of a type of animal. Many furries can't say that because many of them are only interested in their fursona rather than some cartoon character. Bronies more often than not are more interested in talking about Rainbow Dash or Twilight Sparkle than they are discussing whether their character, a muskrat, would be friends with a tiger.

Like any groups, there are plenty of areas that overlap between these two. It doesn't mean they're the same thing, though.

#105 Expecting everyone to love and tolerate is a big mistake.

You forget that you're dealing with humans. These are the same creatures that kill each other on a daily basis. Not to say that one day we won't work past this, as there is plenty of capacity in humans to be kind to one another. It's just not going to be today.

Also, don't expect all members of a group to act the same. This is a mistake people make a lot with religions. They think all Christians are crazy, all Muslims are out to blow themselves up, all Hindis are afraid of killing bugs, and all Buddhists are peaceful. Thing is, I've seen plenty of reasonable Christians, peaceable Muslims, Hindis who own flyswatters, and Buddhists getting dragged out of a bar for punching a fellow patron. A person is not defined by what group he/she belongs to. They are defined by who and what they are.

I think it was said best in Batman Begins: "It's not who I am underneath, but what I do that defines me."

A person can be a brony, but it's what they do that they should be known for.

#106 It depends on how many followers you have and what they expect from you.

If you are pretty popular, I'd post a journal or blog entry saying you're working on an MLP fan fiction. Also, if you've got art that is MLP related, that should give you a good indication of whether it'll garnish hate.

Really though, why worry about it? It's not like it matters what they think, anyway. All you need to be concerned with is pleasing yourself. Others come second unless it's your job to please them. That's always been my way of looking at things, because really, don't you only want to please people that will like your work anyway? Haters aren't those types of people, and if you do happen to get some, block their comments and remove them. They're no good to you. The only type of negative posts you should listen to are the ones offering constructive criticism.

BTW: Hey Cudpug, I think you should look at Fifty Shades of Grey and Twilight before thinking that an American publishing house would reject My Little Dashie. ;) I've read both Twilight and MLD, and I thought My Little Dashie was superior even before I became a brony.
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anzul Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2012  Student General Artist
hey, thanks for making this man :)
im sure it will help some people out there

and something about item 105, theres the posibility of hakers using pony names just for "shit and gigles"...
hackers and trolls tend to use "famous" names, and i doubt any one in a online game whit a hacker would take the time to confirm or deny if he is a fan of the show.
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PuddingValkyrie Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm a brony and a published novelist :iconhurrplz: And my work STILL needs improvement(quite a bit, in fact!). I think people can get way too bent out of shape about fanfiction... and that goes for any fandom(I'm amazed that people seem to single out the FiM fanbase as somehow different from other fandoms so often). Fanfiction should be something that is written and read for fun, just as fanart is drawn and looked at for fun. Not literary value.
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GrayFox2510 Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012
Ugh, thanks for 104. I hate when people say furries and bronies are the SAME thing (no hate to either side as I'm technically a part of both).
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Cuddlepug Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012
I think it's fair to say that both fandoms have common tendencies running through them, with the lines becoming more blurred, generally, when people are a part of both fandoms. While bronies and furries are not the same thing, there are certain areas where their interests generally overlap.
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JOLT-the-dragon Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
wonderful examination of the questions, and well thought, well examined, and factual responses
10/10
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Cuddlepug Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012
Thank you for your courteous review.
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LateCustomer Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012   Digital Artist
Re# 105, to the person asking the question:
For the sake of argument, consider "brony" to mean any person who's a fan of the show, is part of the MLP fan community, and considers themselves a brony.

With that said, consider that you've likely run into plenty of bronies who are decent people, but who didn't make themselves known to you as bronies. Instead you're running into folks who are trolling for shits and giggles and also feel the need to make you know they're bronies.

The only "bronies" I'm aware of outside the internet are the few folks I witnessed at the Equestria LA convention. I would be hard-pressed to peg a lot of them as bronies if I met them outside the con as they looked like fairly normal people (sans the cosplayers).

Like Cudpug points out, people are people. Some people are decent, many others are jerks, and EVERYONE'S an ass now and then. Being a brony has little to do with this.
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Cuddlepug Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012
Wise words. I love the implication that bronies aren't normal ;P
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LateCustomer Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012   Digital Artist
Did I imply that? If I did, it was not my intention. I'm an illustrator, not a word-smith ;)
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Cuddlepug Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012
I would be hard-pressed to peg a lot of them as bronies if I met them outside the con as they looked like fairly normal people (sans the cosplayers).

I completely agree, by the way ;P Give yourself more credit - you construct your comments excellently.
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mirry92 Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Professional General Artist
I know they mean about bad bronies, but there are also the fact that some people are acting bad because they think people around them doesn't accept bronies and they will get bullied. So when some of us tries to say hello or just being nice and ask someone if they are a brony, the brony would try to defend himself and talk back in a bad way without knowing that some of us accepts it :O But that happend to me just 1 time, most of the times I get a brohoof :D which is nice :aww:

Think about the new episode called "one bad apple" Babs Seed didn't won't to get picked on so she turned bad...I just realized that the episode might have a message for the bronies :la:
In my experience I think bronies shouldn't be shy over their interests because that's how you are and if people can't handle that so be it :aww:
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Cuddlepug Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012
It's important to strike a balance between shyness and being too overt about it: don't be afraid to say that you like the show, but don't let it dominate every single thing you talk about.
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mirry92 Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Professional General Artist
I know that :aww: I got a lot of things I like, but of course there is a time for everything :D
I just hope that other bronies understand what I said and goes for it :aww:
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FrancisSplinter Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012
" My most concerning question about the Brony fandom is why does it seem that just about every "Brony" I run into is a complete ass? It seems that no matter where I meet them, whether it be in real life, or on the internet, I can't find a "Brony" that is generally a good person. It seems that all I find are these "Brony trolls" (for lack of better words), whose sole purpose in life seems to be having fun at others' expense." Funny that I have mostly a good experience with a bronies. Maybe you should have stop visiting sites like 4chan or youtube, where even non-brony people likes to trolls with ponies. Mlpforums, EQ even Derpibooru has a good community.
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chibilombax Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012
I just like to think Bronies and Furries as Cousin fandoms. Not quite the same but they could get along.
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Cuddlepug Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012
:iconcudpugmagicplz::iconsaysplz:"Blelelele my tongue is a big pink slug blelelele!"
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chibilombax Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012
A very lovely pink slug indeed friend ^w^ How have you been?
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ender1200 Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012
I have a feeling that #106 was more concerned about the hatred he will receive from his non bronies readers. After all he mentioned that he already is writing fanfics.
Well, if you are going to publish a fanfic in a forum that isn't brony exclusive than you will get some hate. How much? That completely depends on where you are going to publish the fic. My advice is that you do a search for pony related fanfics on the site to see how their comment sections look like. Finally you should remember that when people hate your work just for having ponies in it, they are wrong and are making fools of themselves.
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Entou Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Loads of Bronies I've met have turned out to be asses who generally pack together in one group and decide to ignore everything or hate on newcomers and their opinions. It's funny how we don't exactly practice what we preach, but Bronies are just another fandom and it's common for their to be the stand out bad people.
And who cares that much about Fanfics, same goes for art. If you like something you have created and want to share it then do, nobody should feel pressured by others, it's not their decision to make choices for you. If you make something distasteful/dirty I can assure you there are tons of like minded people who'll appreciate it.
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Cuddlepug Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012
It's true that if you criticise any major part of the fandom you tend to be called a troll by the people who comprise that part of the fandom. Apparently, having a different opinion makes you into a troll ;P
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Entou Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Wait I'm not a troll, I was just sharing my thoughts.
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Cuddlepug Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012
Oh, no; I wasn't saying you were a troll. I was just saying that in this fandom people tend to think that you're a troll if don't agree with the general consensus. I was agreeing with you :3
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Entou Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Oh, alright, all good then. Silly me.
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graphiteforlunch Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Hobbyist
Every community has its bad apples to be sure. My two cents: the only Brony I know IRL is a pretty nice guy. He is at worst eccentric (aren't we all, lol) and I see that as a good thing because he is very much engaged with the things he loves. Absolutely an interesting, engaging and friendly sort of fellow. I've never known him to engage in jerkish behavior. Not even once. So my (limted) experience with the Brony community led to a generalization of: "Aw, good people who aren't afraid to celebrate what they like!"
But then in the darker corners of the internet HOLY WHAT you can run into! lol. So I knew the fandom wasn't ALL innocent un-weird sparkles. Still, I kept my non-creepy brony acquaintance in mind and refused to let that cloud my view of the community. There are some pretty odd things lurking just around the corner in ANY fandom because it appears that many fans like to shoehorn their fetishes into unrelated things they love. It's part of being human, I guess? I'm pretty sure that no fandom is exempt!
I guess the impression that you get of a community really depends on who you run into. It's nice that there are people out there writing stuff like this to educate everyone!
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Cuddlepug Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012
Thank you - you make some good points!
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TheWrongestTrousers Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I think I've stated this before, but the whole "Love and Tolerate" phrase seems to stem from bronies being insulted about their obsession with ponies. Sometimes even their sexual attraction. They say this to kinda deflect that, but don't actually believe it on their own, not to much extent. Least, that's my experience with it.

And true, a lot of people are asses. (I'm going to say something from pure speculation, so correct me if I'm wrong. I'll guess that I am.) I assume that it's a mixture of the fact that bronies try to spread out their fandom and say "Hey, it's alright to be a brony." So they're more open to showing it, and possibly more open to people. But since some people don't really go outside, bronies being some part of this bunch, so they get their first experiences outside. They don't really know how to talk to people, so the route they go is an asshole's one, whether they like to or not. Though, this isn't ALL of them, of course.

Again, that was all assumption, so I'm probably being an idiot saying that.
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TheWrongestTrousers Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I didn't want to add much to the whole brony/furry thing, seeing as anything I say will get people really pissed at me. But I mostly agree with you on the fact that if you dress up in a suit like your OC/whatever and act like the thing you're dressed as online and in real life. You're a furry.

I can understand the whole behavioral thing, like associating the way you act, sometimes, is similar to an animal. But wanting to BECOME that animal is a whole different story that I don't entirely agree with. You're a person, sorry. No amount of trying to be a fox/wolf/cat/lizard/pony's going to change that. I can understand not feeling like your gender isn't you, but you're human. You're a human being. No, your alter ego is ridiculous.

And before someone says, "Not all of them are like that!" I know they aren't.
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ender1200 Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012
The definition of "Furry" is a fan of antrophomorphical animals (now that's a mouthfull), the question of wether ponies fall in this category (and wether "furry" suhuld relate to only general cases or be a blanket term) is a complitly semantical one, and frankly not a very importent one.

One can be considered a furry just for brawsing antro art, and reading antro ficion in regular fashion (and seeking such art specificly), just as one could be considered a brony for doing the same with MLP art (i use "brony" as pony fan here).

The whole OC roleplay is a very strong part of the furry comunity, but it isn't e difining one, nor is it uniqe.
Otherwise what is the differance betwin furries and LARPers or anime cosplayers? taht they wear a fuzzier custom?

as for your second paragrath, go check the differance between furries and otherkin. It's funny, in a sad kind of way.
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TheWrongestTrousers Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I've always felt 'furry' was someone who went into it and has some semblance of a "fur suit", even if it's just a tail thing they wear, a lot. And their fursona thing... Though, this is what I think, and what I think doesn't matter, ha ha.

I'm not so familiar with cosplayers and their habits, but as far as I can tell, they don't wear the thing outside of conventions (more frequently than one would their fursona) and have it as their "Alter ego". It isn't a being necessarily created by them. Though, if one goes as their OC from a particular thing they like... that's a whole other realm I'm not sure how to feel about. Don't know enough about LARPers, honestly, only a few things here and there, and that episode of Supernatural.

Otherkin? Man, I've already looked far too deep into the furry and brony atrocities... I'm absolutely terrified of finding anything about "otherkin".
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ender1200 Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012
Definitions are only as good as the concenus around them, so it's allway good to make shure you are on the same page with others every once in a while. (They allso change over time, wich is really anoying :p).

Cosplaying is indeed only done in conventions and most cosplayers usualy only use a costume once. But the term cosplay comes from costum rolplay, i.e the ida is to roleplay the character you dress up as, even if just in your demenure. As far as i understand fursuits are only meant for event such as conventions as well.
LARPs works a lot like tebletop RPGs were players don't consider themselves as the characters but when playing a campeign a player may stick to a single character for months and sometimes even years.

The concep of developing "altar ego" in many fan comunities seems to be strongly tied to the nature of comunications through the internet.
There are two importent parts to remember. First fandoms are recrational comunities and as such indentity in them is shaped by what's fun much more than real world needs. (In other words this is a game, not a real indentity)
Second The nature of internet comunity make it a lot easier (and allso safer) to be indified, and indify others by an artificial persona than real identity. (this is why we are using nicknames and not real names in this site)

I brought up otherkin becouse this is were things go wrong. otherkin (as much as sites like Tvtropes define them) are people who take the whole ida of "altar ego" to seriusly, claming to belive that they are the invented persona. I mostly brought them up as a contrast to most Bronies, furries sonic fans etc. who recognise that this is all a game.
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TheWrongestTrousers Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Student Digital Artist
That's true. Apologies if I'm frustrating you. I just have these ideas in my head that I've never properly sorted out, so it's all soaked in anger, like a... well, not at all like a wine. That ages better. I should look up the more unanimous definition of these deals.

Ah, I gotcha. Yeah, you're right about that, it'd completely slipped my head that cosplay meant that.

Live Action Role Players... MONTHS? YEARS? Whoa, man, that's hella rough. Can't change out of that one until after the campaigns done. Better hope you choose right.

True, can't always go by that rule, but I've read about people actually assuming their online personality roles in real life. Not saying that I believe everything said on the internet and communities, but some have got to be telling the truth about them MEOWING in response to things. (Ugh, now it sounds like I'm grasping at straws.)

Ah, these're the folks I was talking about. Man, the fact that they got their own title, (though defined by TVTropes, but we got OCs, which seems like a joke but people use it... so take that as you will) is just horrifying in its own right.
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Mr-Asquith Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2012
I literally just spotted this on the front page... but I'm going to have to seriously consider looking into other installments presuming there are more since I've only now stumbled on this. I really enjoyed it, and as someone who's on the outside looking in at the MLP fandom, I find it very interesting.
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TheWrongestTrousers Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2012  Student Digital Artist
It's a rather weird community, I admit. It can delve into some pretty messed up territories that can be very easily found, even just by typing in a particular character's name.

It's best to just separate the show from the community. Without the notion of bronies existing, the show is pretty well-done, I like to think. But knowing that they exist, it kinda screws with your experience watching even a single episode. "They are obsessed with THIS? Why do they make so much porn about this kids show?" Though, the second question's always running through my head.
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Mr-Asquith Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012
Wow, it's clear now that I have not seen much from the majority of the Brony Community, which by the sound of it, may be for the best. Keeping bronies separate from MLP, though, I must make sure to keep note of that. :nod:
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Cuddlepug Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012
It's best when adult fans just appreciate the show for what it is (a cute cartoon with some nice little stories) rather than what they want it to be.
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Mr-Asquith Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012
Luckily I'm pretty good at keeping canon and fanon separate. ^^; Thank you for the reply though.
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TheWrongestTrousers Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Student Digital Artist
It's best to keep your sanity. Ignorance is bliss... believe me, I cannot unsee some of the stuff I've read/seen stemming from it.
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Mr-Asquith Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012
I've been there with a fandom or two.
:iconcannotunseeplz: <-- I have indeed occasionally reacted in this manner...
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TheWrongestTrousers Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2012  Student Digital Artist
That's been my face half of the time!
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FrancisSplinter Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012
Other fandoms has load of porns too. Especially Pokemons, Naruto and Touhou and people seems to not have a problems with it. Why people with mlp does I dont know.
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TheWrongestTrousers Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Oh yeah, of course. Pretty much every fandom has that group of people who'll do that sort of thing.

I think the problem stems from the fact that there are A LOT of bronies, and some of them love to talk EVERYTHING pony, including the porn of it. It isn't like we forgot about THOSE groups, it's just that bronies are on the surface, for the amount of people involved.
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Cuddlepug Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012
If you type in on Google 'Twilight Sparkle' or 'Cutie Mark Crusaders', among the top suggestions are 'r34' and 'clopfic'. That means that an enormous amount of people have been searching for those terms. It's particularly concerning in the brony fandom because, while many bronies seem to forget it, MLP is for young girls.
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TheWrongestTrousers Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Oh God, r34 and clopfic are TOP SUGGESTIONS next to the Cutie Mark Crusaders?! I thought it was bad at Twilight Sparkle... but... damn. I have to go take an hour long bath just from this knowledge alone.

It's weird seeing the argument that the show is directed to the bronies or older audiences specifically. It's a show for girls, yo. That's all there is to it, there may be references that older audiences understand, but it's for kids.
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Cuddlepug Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012
For me, if you type in 'Cutie Mark Crusaders' without hitting enter, and then put a space to write the next word, 'clopfic' is among the top suggestions, yeah. With Twilight Sparkle if you do the same, 'r34' is the second suggestion. Try it out and see if you get the same thing happening.

I appreciate that you're a sensible person. It definitely is for kids.
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TheWrongestTrousers Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Man... I don't feel too good, now...

Wee!
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ender1200 Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012
I also suspet that the fact that we are fans of MLP make people be much more critical about us as well.
After all even most bronies will admit that their first reaction to MLP:FIM was "thats wierd".
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TheWrongestTrousers Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Student Digital Artist
It is awful strange that people've attached themselves to this so, to this degree. I'm surprised by my own interest in it, still.

I mean, it shouldn't be a bad thing that we watch the show, that's a different matter altogether. Watch whatever pleases you, but its the obsession that is bothersome.
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Mr-Asquith Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2012
"presuming there are more since I've only now stumbled on this"

I realize how stupid that sounded - I should have specified that I presumed there could be more posted on dA, and I was trying to leave room for the possibility that only some of the installments might be submitted here, and that the entirety of the column may be provided elsewhere. ^^;
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