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#67) Is clopping bad? I've done it before and I don't really understand why other bronies find it disgusting. Maybe it's just me. >.<

Answer: With the amount of clopping questions I receive with this column, it's hardly a wonder why a lot of people think that bronies are sexual deviants. Now, in terms of your question itself, the fact that you don't see why other people might find it disgusting is worrying, because you're admitting to not being able to contemplate why people would think it odd to masturbate to cartoon animals.

To be honest, to apply a label of  'bad' on clopping is a big generalisation, as it all comes down to opinion. It is my opinion that, while masturbating to ponies in itself isn't a problem, the content itself is bad, insofar as that shit seems to be everywhere. What's worse than being into it, though, is being proud of it. It's one thing to masturbate to ponies – if that's what turns you on, there's no point in holding back on it just because some asshole tells you to – but, at the same time, it's quite another to do it without caring that other people might not want to see it.

I've come into contact with a lot of cloppers who are very much of the opinion that 'we can do whatever we want and if people don't like it they can fuck off'. It's my opinion that bronies, as adult fans of the show, have the responsibility on their shoulders to treat the intellectual property with respect. Liking "Friendship is Magic" because it's well-made is one thing, but it's another to take that property and bend it to suit your sexual urges.

In my mind, because of the nature of the show – and judging by the intended demographic – and the product, bronies should at least try and like it for what it is, not for what they want it to be. It seems that too many people in the brony fandom don't like ponies until they've strapped a ball-gag in their mouths and tied their hooves behind their backs. And that, at least to me, is in bad taste.

And therefore, in terms of clopping being 'bad', you can certainly argue that it's distasteful and unnecessary. Try and weigh up pros and cons; the bad far outweighs the good. How can anyone really say that any kind of porn is 'good', let alone porn designed around a children's TV show?

You aren't going to go to hell for clopping, and it's highly unlikely that you'll stop based on this response. I don't honestly care if you do it or not; I only have a problem with the people who actively go out of their way to say that it's awesome and that they don't care about sticking a middle finger up to Hasbro. You ask why some people find it disgusting – how about the fact that a lot of people would prefer to have sex with a human than an animal?

#68) I've noticed that few people like Rarity and see her good points. Why is this so?  

Answer: Is that still the case? I was pretty sure that in Season 1 she was one of the least popular characters, but after Season 2 people started to like her. To me, Rarity is the 'best' character, in terms of how much depth she has. Whereas characters like Fluttershy overcome shyness in the 'same-shit-different-day' sort of manner, Rarity has all sorts of interesting qualities, whether it's her whining in "A Dog and Pony Show", her interaction with Sweetie Belle in "Sisterhooves Social", her little 'romance' with Spike throughout the episodes – accumulating in "Secret of My Excess" - and, finally, how she behaves in arguably her best episode: "Sweet and Elite".

That episode, to me, is one of the best in the history of the show so far, because it has a really solid story involving Rarity having to weigh up her friends and her work, which is a genuine issue that a lot of people have to face. Her character has a lot of depth, aided by the fact that she has the career in Canterlot on her side, which allows for all sorts of varied scenarios to occur. It was nice to see her stand up to the Canterlot elite by sticking up for her friends in that episode. Plus, she has plenty of subjective things on her side as well – a lot of people love her voice and her tendency to overreact and be melodramatic. Despite how she may have acted in earlier episodes, she doesn't really fit the 'vapid girl obsessed with fashion' thing any more at all.

If people do dislike her character still, I imagine it's because they get annoyed by how she behaves. Personally, I find her to be the most interesting and varied character, and I'm sure a lot of other people do as well. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, though, and so if people don't like her, don't worry about it. If you're a fan, that's the main thing.

#69) I'm an autistic person and have recently taken interest in MLP: FIM. I love its well-written characters, animation and all, but for some reason, I always keep on thinking that it is more for older viewers that don't have autism like I do. Some people usually think that autistic people are strange and watch the show because everyone else watches it too, but I think it's not always for that reason. Can anyone watch it, whether it be a brony with autism or not?

Answer: Yeah, of course you can watch the show if you're autistic. The show promotes a lot of healthy and inclusive messages, and so not only is it good for you to watch it, but it's also good for other people to watch it; it may just make them more accepting of people with, in your case, autism.

I wouldn't think that the show is for 'older viewers that don't have autism', though. The show is intended for kids; being outside of that demographic means you have just as much of a right to watch it as any other brony/older fan. If people think that individuals with autism are strange, that's their issue, not yours; and, if it's believed that people with autism merely 'copy' behaviour, then that's ignorant as well. Even if you are only watching it because other people are, that's not even a bad thing.

All information is distributed by other people. You only learn about a new album coming out by a band you like because you see a music blog paste it up; you find out that a TV show is airing by checking the TV guide. You learn things because other people/places inform you of the knowledge; by being on the internet in general, you're doing what other people do. Therefore, I wouldn't feel particularly unoriginal if you're watching the show because it's the 'done thing' at the moment.

Nobody is better than you if they've been watching the show for longer, or if they were one of the 'original' fans and they consider you to be a late-comer. You'd have to be a complete douchebag hipster to take that approach, especially towards My Little Pony. It's not really something to be elitist about; there's no such thing as a 'better' pony fan or anything.

You have just as much claim to watch the show as anyone else, autism or no autism. If watching "Friendship is Magic" makes you happy, go for it.
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Norman-Steel Featured By Owner Oct 2, 2012
I don't care if someone clops or posts pony porn on a site specifically meant for it. The problems occur when they start posting links to it on more SFW sites, because that's when a little girl could find it. The problems also occur when they happily tell news reporters about it. No matter what your stance on porn is, our society still has a big stigma against it. You wouldn't tell someone that you look at porn when they could use that to discredit you and this goes doubly for porn based off of a children's show about magic ponies. Just look at the furry fandom. They used to be seen as just regular people who like drawing human-ish animals. Then all it took was for the media to start looking for the ones that liked porn of their person-y animals and now everyone hates them. It's true that MLP is by no means the only thing that Rule 34 has attacked, and it's technically not fair that we should make cloppers stay secretive about what they're fapping to, but it's not about what's fair. It's about what's best for the most people.
automouse13 Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2012
Clopping? Really?
Cuddlepug Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2012
SolarSpark Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Regarding #67: My problem with the provided answer is this statement: "how about the fact that a lot of people would prefer to have sex with a human than an animal?" Any well-reasoned person would know the difference between a sexual fantasy over an anthropomorphic fictional character, and sex with an animal.

I do agree that bronies should try to respect the intellectual property of Hasbro, but why imply the that the innocent sexual fantasies of cloppers are "distasteful", "unnecessary", or otherwise sexually deviant? Why argue that cloppers should be ashamed, rather than proud, of their sexuality?

As for the statement "How can anyone really say that any kind of porn is 'good'" - this seems to me to be a very conservative view; the "It's bad, because I find it 'disgusting'", mentality. Some states and countries have such conservative views about porn as to ban it outright. Do sex toys give human society a bad name on account of their being "obscene"? According to some, yes. For this reason, some states and countries have banned sex toys sooner that they would be willing to the ban the private ownership of guns.

Such conservatism isn't about regarding the rights of others, or the IP rights of Hasbro; its nothing more than an attempt to validate a potentially outdated and jarred vision of how society should behave. Do 'open' cloppers give bronies a bad name? According to some, yes. But what do those "some" honestly expect they will be able to do about it? Cloppers are a part of the brony culture, whether we are willing to accept it or not. The only person you can control the behaviour of is yourself.

In conclusion, some cloppers can't understand why answering to their innocent subconscious urges and being honest about it may offend some. The anti-cloppers can't understand how someone can be so open about what they would consider "obscene" behaviour and not expect to be judged for it. Neither group will change their stance.

Then there are the people - bronies and non-bronies, cloppers and non-cloppers - who are more concerned with their own lives than with the harmless activities, or judgmental opinions, of others. The question to ask yourself is, which type of person are you?
Cuddlepug Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2012
"which type of person are you?"

The guy investigating contentious areas of this fandom and reporting on it elsewhere.

Thanks for the useful feedback.
SolarSpark Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
No problem; hope I didn't come across as harsh or crude.

Usually I steer clear of contentious issues myself, but I feel like the 'clopper' issue seems to have caused a rift in the brony community. I cannot help but feel that at the crux of such a conflict is the judging of others based fragments of information, spawning such black-and-white labels as "clopper" and "anti-clopper".

Why would someone want to understand or get to know anyone else better when they already assume to know so much of them based on so few assumptions? I just wish people would think more impartially, that's all.

Cudpug: "One guy up the page clearly thinks clopping is cool. He has a picture of Twilight's flank as his avatar. Go figure."

Who, me? :P

For the record, having a liberal opinion of clopping does not imply my acceptance of it. Having Twilight's flank as an avatar does not make me a clopper any more than wearing a Fluttershy shirt at a performance makes the musician deadmau5 a brony.
masternegi Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2012  Student General Artist
Nice i totally agree and you would think that the whole friendship thing
and being a brony and all would make it easier for at least the people in the community to love and tolerate one another.
SolarSpark Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks. Well said :)
Cuddlepug Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2012
Well said. You seem to be an intelligent and reasonable chap.
SolarSpark Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks. The same could be said of you. I've been enjoying reading your columns. :)
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