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~Or, The Redundancy of the Term 'Alicorn' and the Contention of Fan Misinterpretation~

The word 'alicorn' has become widely used within the My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic fandom to describe a pony that has both the wings of a pegasus and the horn of a unicorn. 'Alicorn' is used as a catch-all term attributed to any pony that matches these vague descriptions. From a basic glance, there is no real problem with this: after all, a fandom can create content as it sees fit, even if the word that they are using is technically inaccurate. However, if we risk delving a little deeper it becomes clear that these are turbulent times within the pony community, and that the liberal use of 'alicorn' has created a chaotic dynamic that seeks to severe ties between fanon and canon altogether!

One of the key problems that I'm talking about here stems from the contention that surrounds ponies dubbed 'alicorns'. For one, the fandom seems to unite in a fairly substantial act of aggression against anyone who would dare to have an alicorn original character: only those that are deified, such as the fan-envisioned Lauren Faust, seem to be allowed a pony character that has wings and a horn. Despite the fact that 'alicorn' is a user-attributed term – 'alicorn' originally being a fictional material for the horn of a unicorn – there exists a uniformity in despising those that would have an alicorn character. The argument seems to be that, seeing as only ponies of great power are allowed to be alicorns, that having an alicorn of your own is considered to be elevating oneself above everyone else. Amusing, given that an original character is a fictional creation that can technically look like whatever the creator envisions, but that's not how fandoms work, apparently. There is an inarguable hierarchy, and if you mess with the laws of this system then elitist pony-fans will strike you down for stepping out of line. Know your place, maggots.

The user backlash towards original character 'alicorns' isn't even the biggest concern here; it is a minor complaint that exists alongside a much bigger issue that must be addressed. At the time of writing, a new character has been revealed within Hasbro's toy line with an in-show vector: Princess Cadence. Cadence is a pink pony who will be getting married to a happy-chappy called Shining Armor at some point in the future. This will surely be a glorious time for them both, where they can engage in all of the celebratory mirth that one would come to expect of wedlock. Sadly, their wedding day will not be accompanied by the sound of bells; the church will be burnt to the ground by the indignant cries of foul-play spewing from some fans with too much time on their hands. Shed a tear for these two star-crossed lovers, if you have the heart to do so. For you see, Cadence, being a pony with wings and a horn, has thrown a spanner into the works for some, creating this incredibly unbearable situation where – wait for it – there is another 'alicorn' in Equestria!

You may be asking yourself why this is a problem. Frankly, I don't personally care in the slightest if the talented writers and animators over at Studio B have decided to make a new pony with wings and a horn. Hell, I'm not even judgemental if Hasbro pushed the character on the studio and encouraged them to stick her in an episode in order to promote their new toy. Why? Because, bizarrely, I actually have some faith in the writers of this show and believe that they will make this character charming, interesting and relevant to her respective episode.

Sadly, a lot of bronies within the fandom have, of course, taken the time to write great streams of angst-ridden text about how they hate that the show is now breaking its own canon and lore by introducing another 'alicorn'. It's no lie to say that whenever a new revelation comes about regarding Cadence, although there are some that look forward to her début, there are many who start breaking out in a sweat and crying into their pillows, proclaiming that the end of Friendship is Magic is nigh! After all, Princess Celestia and Princess Luna are the only 'alicorns' in Equestria, aren't they? The show even tells us that from Episode 1, right?

Well, actually, no. I have seen enough amusing comments for it to appear a common-place belief that Celestia and Luna are some sort of exclusive dynamic duo. To paraphrase such mistaken people:

"Luna and Celestia are the only alicorns! They can't just introduce another one!"

Does this roughly resemble anything that you've read? Chances are, if you frequent internet pony updates like I find myself doing in order to reflect on fan opinion, you may have seen a comment like this before. There are two points of contention that I must address here. The first, simply, is that the term 'alicorn' has never been used within the context of the show. The fandom has, to an extent, broken off from the show, but any argument that wishes to avoid the pitfall of ad hominem must root itself in some sort of factual basis derived from the show. While fans are invited and encouraged to generate user-content, there's very little that can be born out of pure fiction that can stand under close scrutiny. The endearing term of 'alicorn' may be a fan-favourite accepted by most – it sure does roll off the tongue – but it's not actually a canon phrase.

In fact, if we look at Episode 1, which really establishes much of the lore that defines Equestria throughout future episodes and forms the foundation that inspires subsequent fiction, we see that Celestia and Luna are both referred to as unicorns. Here is an excerpt of the transcription from the oft-incorrectly-cited first episode:

"One fateful day, the younger unicorn refused to lower the moon to make way for the dawn."

This pretty much proves that the show is under the impression that Celestia and Luna are unicorns. This fan-invented concept of the popularised 'alicorn' is therefore fundamentally non-canon in its very existence, making those that claim that having another 'alicorn' in the show to be breaking the established canon a great hypocrisy. No matter how much the fandom might believe that 'alicorn' is the definitive term, it doesn't change the fact that it is, in any relevant context, an incorrect label.

Moreover, let's look closely at this idea that Celestia and Luna are the only 'alicorns' in Equestria. Despite the fact that the show hasn't ever suggested that they are, it would be a very poor argument to suggest that just because we haven't seen any others like them thus far, there simply cannot be any other ponies in Equestria with horns and wings. Perhaps it is a mark of royalty – this would certainly make Cadence's appearance understandable – or maybe it's just a rare occurrence; what it isn't, however, is an exclusive right available only to these two princesses. To quote the episode that started it all once more:

"Once upon a time, in the magical land of Equestria, there were two regal sisters who ruled together and created harmony for all the land..."

I imagine that this line is arguably responsible for the misinterpretation regarding Celestia and Luna. While it does suggest that there were two sisters, it doesn't in any way argue that there weren't others like them. If I write a story that begins, "Once upon a time there was a little boy and a little girl" that doesn't mean that they are the only little boy and girl in the world, does it? If it does, then the population of the Earth is being reset to two every time a mother reads her children a bedtime story.

The reason that this becomes an issue worth talking about is because misinterpretation allows for concern and resentment to fester under false pretence. There's a lot of anger out there towards Cadence for being this world-breaking character, but I fail to see any evidence that what she's doing is in any way breaking the world of Friendship is Magic or any degree of canon lore. Which really boils the argument down to its most irritating conclusion: that the fandom is once again getting pissed because a rule that they have established based on no evidence has now become an enforceable law, with a penalty to pay whenever a degree of challenge rears its ugly head. Never mind the fact that the show entirely mediates the world that the fandom creates; it seems to be perfectly reasonable to many bronies to pick and choose aspects of the show, but then opt for fan-based conclusions and theories above that which is actually accurate when it suits them best.

I do wonder, glancing across the worrisome, hateful comments towards Studio B, Hasbro and the characters that get caught in the wrath of the frustrated generalised brony, if these people are even fans of the show. Some people spend so much time complaining about the choices that the show makes, the way that it develops its lore and the revelations of future episodes that 'sound concerning' that I do find myself curious in regards to if they even enjoy the show, or if they have become so indebted to the fandom that the show is this irritating anti-fanon device to them that keeps messing up their fanfictions and opinions on how the world of Equestria should be. The obvious solution, of course, is to either stop taking things so seriously, or actually base your fictions etc. on supportable evidence within the show. Then, just maybe, the show won't 'ruin' your hard work.

Ultimately, fans will do as fans please. I merely find myself increasingly bemused when it comes to this particular issue. An invented fan-term is one thing, but when this term manifests itself as a force that actually tries to prevent the show from introducing a character it becomes ridiculous. Fans will continue to use 'alicorn', as it's an easy, recognisable way of referring to ponies with the double-graces of wings and horns. That said, those that use the term should be able to recognise that it is entirely fan-orientated and not a part of the show that governs the fandom. Furthermore, to those that seem intent on discrediting Princess Cadence as being a world-breaking character, please realise that your constant whining about how she will ruin everything is a sensationalist concoction of refutable claims and incorrect assumptions; a bastardisation of the show and an insult to those that work hard in bringing it to us every other weekend.
Don't you dare make yourself into an alicorn.

Unless we're talking about the medicinal stuff that comes from the horn.

Then that's okay.

But only if it's used to remedy the disease known as Princess Cadence.
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iluvjeffy Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2013
Oh ya twighlight is an alicorn now
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gojira4life Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2012
Update: MLP Season 3, Episode 5 has now made the terms "Alicorn" the official/canon term for pegasus unicorns!
Long live season 3!!!
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Krazzulimaii Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Long live season infinity!!!


get it?
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gojira4life Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2013
Yesh!
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GreatToaNui Featured By Owner Sep 28, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Maybe everyone will grow up if it turns out the crystal ponies are all 'alicorns'
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PrincessSunelestia Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2012  Student General Artist
Cadence.Is.Luna's.Daughter.
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rjpugh Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2012
I read on essay that defined an 'Alicorn,' at least within the MLP milieu, as a semi-immortal pony with the combined powers of earth, unicorn, and pegasus pony. They also tend to have a very high "mana" content, which causes their hair to do that invisible-breeze thing, and have more magical power than any regular pony has a right to. The "Alicorn" race is perhaps elemental or Fae in nature, with Luna and Celestia being the only documented specimens that we know of. (Emphasis on "that we know of.")

Cadence, on the other hand, is a winged unicorn, or pegasus-unicorn hybrid. She is not semi-divine like the two sisters; her powers aren't much different from a typical unicorn, and she is mortal. Intermarriage between pegasus and unicorn nobility, starting back in the founding era, sometimes resulted in hybrids that occasionally had the abilities of both races. We know from the Cakes that recessive genes can show up unexpectedly in Equestria, so it could be that Cadence is a similar case. A hybrid like Cadence would be rare, but not unheard of.

That was the gist of the essay; Cadence may look like an Alicorn, but she isn't one. A good parallel might be the Dunadan from Tolkien. Aragorn is identified as a Dunadan; he looks and acts human. But the Dunadan are a separate race, more akin to the elves and Fae than humans. The resemblance is ultimately only skin-deep.

Take that as you see fit, and salt to taste. Since this is a fantasy world; all kinds of things can happen. But it's fun to think about.
:-)
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Shuuya013 Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2012
I'll admit. Princess Cadence's existence is...
Odd to me. She doesn't anger me...just...weird. I can kind of understand why other fans might be a little 'annoyed' about Princess Cadence but...meh. It's already done.

I was under the impression that Luna and Celestia were the only alicorns (yes I'm going to keep calling them alicorns to differentiate them from unicorns without wings). We'd seen a lot of ponies and non-ponies in the show, so maybe it was a little odd to assume that Luna and Celestia were the only alicorns in all of Equestria. However...I'm a brony.
Love and tolerate and all that.
I have total confidence that the writers know what they're doing.
So I wasn't exactly about to write a long winded hate post about Princess Cadence. All I had was...a ton of questions that I hope get answered eventually.

Who IS Cadence. Where did she come from? Is she related to Celestia and Luna in some way? Come to think of it...how is there royalty?
Does Celestia have a husband somewhere? Does she have family outside of Luna? Is that where Cadence comes from?
Tons of questions I have.
@__@

If anything annoyed me about that episode it was two things:
#1. WHERE THE F**K WAS LUNA WHEN ALL THAT WAS GOING DOWN?! I can only assume that she sleeps during the day or she was making an attempt at a joke and had actually been bravely defending the ponies along with the royal guards (FOR THE LOVE OF FAUST SOMEONE MAKE FAN ART OF THAT!).

#2. Celestia got beaten WAY too easily. Yeah yeah, power of love and all that. Still, Celestia is supposed to be a super powerful pony according to the lore. I'm not sure exactly how powerful the queen of the changelings is supposed to be...but SHE DID come up with this whole plan to have her 'children' eat all the love in Canterlot (I can't remember if that was her plan exactly) so I have to figure that queen of the Changelings wasn't too confident about her chances at defeating Celestia.
What I would've done is have it look like Celestia is about to win, and then when she's down, the changeling queen would turn into Luna to throw Celestia off her game with some sort of pity speech. In that moment of confusion, the queen would gain the upperhand.
But...yeah...
What's done is done. And I may draw that as fan art someday unless someone beats me to it (hint hint...).

That's about all I've got on the subject.
This is one brony who looks forward to the next episodes. ^-^a
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childofancyclops Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2012
The reason that most do accept fan-made alicorns is that characters like that too often become Marie-Sues'. Fans have created a hierarchy for a reason, in that some authors simply cannot handle the creation of their own characters. They are children suddenly presented with a chance to visualize themselves in their fantasy worlds through ink and paper, and don't even realize that most people don't want to read them bashing characters and becoming all-powerful. It is well and goosd imagine yourself in these worlds, but you shouldn't put them up.

Also, while the term 'aliconr' may not be correct, it is used in a way that is meant to differentiate between ponies without both horns and tails and those with only just a horn, or only just a pair of wings. I agree with you, that fans can often be proven incorrect by canon, and not accept the new rules as they have been put down.
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PapayaJack Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2012
In addition to the fact that the only two winged unicorns we have seen are Celestia and Luna -- regal sisters who just so happen to be responsible for raising THE SUN and THE MOON respectively -- remember that in the episode "Sonic Rainboom", the unicorn Rarity was granted temporary wings through Twilight's spell craft. Rarity proceeded to go mad with pride and vainglory, fly too close to the sun, and fall to what could have been her death -- an obvious reference to Icarus of Greek mythology and the folly of a mortal reaching too high and presuming to approach the divine.

THIS is the canon law from which the fandom taboo against loose "alicorns" came from, and THIS is why it's irritating to many to discover another winged unicorn in Equestria who seems to be responsible, cosmologically and ontologically speaking, for nothing at all. Unless she's pushing around comets or constellations and until Celestia asks for HER help in defeating a seasonal realm-breaking villain, it's safe to regard Princess Cadance as a world-breaking ditz who exists because market research identified a demand for more winged unicorn dolls.

Not that I care very much. Consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds, and one can interpret the demands of the marketers as simply another creative challenge to overcome and perhaps thrive under. But the elegance of the "world" took a sizeable dent, and geeks will be geeks.
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PredQueen Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2012
I have actually made a pegasus unicorn and the fans can do what they damn well please.
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Anonymous938271 Featured By Owner Mar 14, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
The term "alicorn", as referring to a winged unicorn, has been around for decades. It's not just something the fans pulled out of a hat. Thus, those parts of your post here are totally irrelevant.

Moving on, it's important to note that up until now, the only two "alicorns" that have existed in this generation of the show are treated essentially as deities, mirroring almost perfectly the mythological beings of Skinfaxi and HrÝmfaxi; this implies a sort of inherent alicorn superiority. These characters are known to live for aeons, and to command the attention of the world at large.
With this sort of high visibility, Cadence, a princess with not even the slightest previous mention, seems highly unlikely. With this in mind, it's easy to see how Cadence, an alicorn of whom we've seen not a trace in the past, could be held with disdain. In fact, Faust herself didn't intend for her to be an alicorn; this was a liberty taken by the toymakers. This, compounded with the fact that she's supposedly marrying an equally invisible sibling of a main character (Twilight Sparkle's brother), sounds less like a proper story for a show than a poorly-made fanfiction. Luna and Celestia happen to be broad fan-favourites, and the implication that they are less "special" than they would appear does not set well with fans of the characters, regardless of the logic you may use to excuse it. What's more, some Hasbro materials in the past have flat out stated that the sisters are the only unicorns with wings. Make of that what you will.

On that note, I'm unsure if you're aware of the concept of a "Mary Sue", but when a novice writer goes about creating an alicorn character, they tend to invoke this trope. More often than not, said character is a flat, poorly-characterised character designed not to provide a good story, but to allow the author to live vicariously through their usually-overpowered creation. What's worse is that this sort of character tends to take center stage, often degrading those existing characters that fans have grown to love. In the world of fanfiction, one must realise that if a person goes about writing and publishing something, they are ostensibly requesting the attention and opinions of those that read it, and such practices as the above simply do not mix well with devoted fans.

In the end, fans will indeed do what fans do, and it just so happens that their beliefs are just as justified to them as yours are to you. I will, however, take this moment to note that of the many dozens of fans I personally know, the majority are not pleased with this revelation. I think that says something for their side of the story. Personally I like the idea of more alicorns, but hey, to each their own.
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Otterlore Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
It's funny that everybody freaked out about this- I was a fan of g1, and nobody gave a fuck about 'alicorns' (what everyone called pegacorns).
I think it's because they ended up over-stereotyping all the species of pony. Like, in g1, the ponies were much more integrated. Their wings/horns/lack of either didn't really matter. I'm not such a big fan of g1, but I did like parts like that better. Then in g4 they introduced the ponies walking on clouds, which COMPLETELY separated them from the other ponies. It basically made them a new species with better powers. Then the unicorns, instead of having winking out and simple things as their talents, now have all these complicated things they have to study. It used to be, even the foals could wink out- what happened to that?
Then there's the matter that cutie marks didn't matter as much (now they're such a big deal), but that's another story.
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FountainStranger Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
this is very well written, i guess im one of few bronies that actually really really look forward to cardence's arrivaland how she fits into the world of My Little Pony. its my theory that princesses are alicorns becuase in the hearts and hooves day episode in the story book the illistration of the princess also had wings and a horn dispite her looking nothing like celestia or lune
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SirPeppermintJam Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
TEXT.
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HenryIndiana Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2012
That's right, If I recall Alicorn is the material in a unicorn's horn.
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Rannarbananar Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
People just need to realise that anything Lauren Faust says could be changed in future. It might be her brain-child, but as you said, she did leave to pursue other options, and she seems happy doing so. But her commenting on how Cadence for example wasn't an 'Alicorn' to begin with is misleading; people believe it means she didn't /want/ her to be an Alicorn - it was probably more she designed her as an Unicorn. It's like saying Pinkie was going to be a Pegasus, but she got changed to an Earth Pony (surprise, surprise, luuuul!).

And what really bugs me is people think that Cadence will throw a spanner in the works. Sure, Celestia and Luna have been there since episode 1, but if you think about it, why do we even /need/ Luna anymore? She's got a lovely design, but her actual power over the moon was made somewhat redundant after Celestia took over both roles of sun and moon. Doesn't that mean that Celestia is ultimate overlord, and all other Alicorns, old or new, are rather useless?

Anyway; in Hearth's Warming Eve, before Equestria was founded, it was regular Unicorn folk who rose the sun and the moon. Not Luna or Celestia - so perhaps it's just the Unicorn magic that allows it to happen, not the fact that they're Alicorns?

Also, Alicorn may be term that's accepted in general, but it's never been used in the show, therefore it's not canon. They were referred to as Unicorns, and nothing more. Neither their race or their powers have been brought into question; and until they do I think people have the right to believe what they want, as long as they don't flip out at the creators of the show for messing up their head-canon.

Random points over. Let's rejoice for our pink-bodied overlord! I would follow behind her with a shovel if I had the chance.
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Lillsworld Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
2 things
1) Does anypony remember PRINCE Blueblood? Well, true, he wasn't an alicorn, but he was still, you know a prince, and not a ruler. So Princess Candace could just be royalty that doesn't rule. Maybe Celestia/Luna's niece (since Blueblood was their nephew) Idk, just an idea (sorry if it doesn't make sense :XD:)
2) I am not someone against the making of alicorn OC's. In fact, I have 2. They take place after the rule of Celestia (again, rulers of day and night, except one is a male, I need a male character). And I don't do it to be "superior" to other bronies/pegasises, I just do it to represent a different environment :)
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YoungAngelStocking Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
You know what just occurred to me? If Cadence/Blueblood are Celestia's niece and nephew, wouldn't that make them Luna's children? (Or maybe Cadence is Luna's daughter and Blueblood is Cadence's and Shining Armor's son)
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Lillsworld Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
:0 but Blueblood looks like he's approximately the same age as Shining Armor :?
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Fellmoon Featured By Owner Apr 22, 2012
Offically Princes Blueblood is like the 50th great grand niece of Celestia, as said by the creator. Meaning it would make sense that Princess Cadence is the same thing. A DISTANT relative
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The-Shipping-Killer Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2012
I agree. You know it's this type of thing that leaves me shocked that we're even watching the same show. Looks like the show's message for friendship, love and tolerance wasn't strong enough. They say the ponies shall inherit Equestria but they didn't account for the fandom.

Another excellent review as always.
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PMurphy90s Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2012
This is the same thing with the upcoming summer superhero blockbusters of "The Dark Knight Rises" and "The Amazing Spider-Man." Even before the couple of sneak previews were released, many die-hard fans were complaining and bashing in a manner that was overboard, trivial, or downright distasteful. While there are no restrictions in making preconceived judgements way before such a topic becomes readily available, it's not all that healthy to rally together mobs because your favorite villain of the caped crusaders didn't make it into this one or that they're attempting to take the web slinger's film franchise into a different direction. My advice is to stop with the unbridled fury until the grand opening has arrived. Once you actually see the end product, you are free to input praise or criticism regarding how you felt the story, characters, tone, and dialogue were handled and not outright disown them only for reasons that don't factor into the overall equation.

On a side note, I hope an episode before the two-part season finale finally focuses on the relationship between the royal sisters, since it's only been one instance where we saw them interacting with each other.
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Cuddlepug Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2012
Wise words spoken. Forming an opinion based on leaked information is perfectly natural. I wouldn't have a problem with people disliking Cadence if they disliked her for a real reason. Honestly, I can sympathise more with people being jaded towards her because she's designed to sell toys than them disliking her because she's an 'alicorn'.

I'd like to see an episode fleshing out Celestia and Luna a bit more as well! Fingers crossed they do it either in this season or the next.
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Berlioz-II Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2012
I blame Faust whom I believe has stated somewhere in the past that Celestia and Luna were supposed to be one-of-a-kind, sort of like a simplistic extension of having two rulers creating a balanced harmony between one another (day and night, white and black, ying and yang). That's likely a weakness in Faust's own restrictions as a writer (just see that the pilot episode she wrote also sports a much more cliched and conventional story in its general plot to the rest of the series) and how her ideas of Equestria seems to have been to keep things simple and fairly much rooted in an easy-to-understand idiom - thus also excluding the idea of more "super-unicorns" as that would not fit in with the harmonious Celestia/Luna duality.

And she has also stated somewhere on her dA page that she was very involved with the creation of Cadence, but that she was at that point still a regular unicorn with no wings. It was only somewhere after her departure that the character has now morphed into another Celestia-like being, the reaction according to her being one of "shock."

So I'd say that's where most of the Cadence hate stems from as it tends to break some of the unmentioned rules set by Law of Faust. But indeed, none of this has ever been outright stated in the series itself and thus the possibility of a race of such "alicorns" (or whatever would you call them) can indeed exist. Personally, I'll just reserve judgement on this whole matter until I get to see the episodes and see the studio's handling of this character. If they do good, then that's great and hopefully this will be the case; if not, then I'll just reserve critique based purely on the merits of the character and episode, and their overall execution. But I find it wholly counterproductive to start painting devils on the wall when not even a single frame of animation or story explanation (aside from there being a wedding) has been given yet to form any real opinion from. Just wait for the episode and see how Studio B decides to do thing.

And as far as similar OCs go, that's mostly because making your character as part of these fairly rare creatures is a direct way of making a traditional Mary Sue character that is a continuous stumbling block for many writers of original characters who lack the finesse of crafting well-rounded, universe-fitting characters (I've seen this happen far too often to make me wary of many fanfic writers' OCs until they prove they know what they're doing).
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Cuddlepug Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2012
While I have nothing against Faust, naturally, there appears to be something of a Cult of Personality surrounding her. It's well-deserved, for the most part, but I do think that people need to realise that it was her choice to leave the show as far as I've read, and thus she no longer has the creative control over the show that she once did. As a result, if the writers choose to take the show in a different direction, that's their own prerogative that shouldn't be frowned upon. It's a natural course of action to be taken in the wake of a core member of staff leaving.

Personally, I'm looking forward to anything that the show pulls. This notion that change = bad is understandable, to an extent, but I wish that people would be more willing to reserve judgement at times.
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Berlioz-II Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2012
I agree, but I can also understand why some would see this kind of a thing as a bad idea. After all, FiM is basically rooted in LF's own concept on how this generation of MLP should be like, so people also tend to put a lot more emphasis on what ever Faust would have hypothetically done or has said in the past about her version of Equestria (including her own musings on this site of her own headcanon, though always being sure to say that they're just her own ideas and not to be taken as canon by any means). Still, seeing her involvement in getting this series off the ground in the first place make many want to still put a lot more faith in her words and opinions than they really should at this point.

Just be happy this isn't Tolkien's work being tampered with. ;P
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Cuddlepug Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2012
Personally, I thought that Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings was incredible, so oftentimes tampering can work.

For Lauren, while I do understand that she was the integral factor in designing the MLP that we all love, I must still reiterate that she chose not to work on it any more. Therefore, she doesn't get a say any more. That's how it works. If I leave a project and the project resumes without me, I wouldn't expect them to follow my direction any more. I'm not suggesting that Lauren is expecting them to, but the some fans are still of the opinion that they should. Unfortunately, to do so isn't at all practical seeing as she isn't involved any more.
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Berlioz-II Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2012
Well, that's fandoms for you. Combine that with the ease of communication the internet provides, and there's no way you can escape from people wanting to express their opinions without even having all that much to go on with, or latching on to whatever tangent to make their point. Not much one can really do about that and no way is it ever going to disappear even in spite of more rational arguments. C'est la vie.

And I very much liked the Jackson LOTR movies too. That trilogy is definitely somewhere in my top 50 fave movies of all time.
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pootiet12345 Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
is cadence supposed to be celestia and luna's other sister?
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TheTwilightDancer Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I looked on a wiki and it says Cadence is the niece of Celestia and Luna.
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pootiet12345 Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
huh?
does that mean there is another sister
or do you think this is an elaborate coverup for Celestia's activities outside of the castle
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Fellmoon Featured By Owner Apr 22, 2012
Probably similiar to Prince Blueblood, who was stated to be a distant relative of Celestia and Luna (like 30 times removed).
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TheTwilightDancer Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm not sure. But if Cadence is a niece of Celestia and Luna, then that means the two have an unknown sibling who is the father/mother of Cadence.
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pootiet12345 Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Lord Solaris, the alicorn of greed and despair...
Oh shit son cadence is secretly evil!!!
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TheTwilightDancer Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Who's Lord Solaris? I never heard of him. :?
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pootiet12345 Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
an OC, idk who thought up the idea but Solaris and Artemis are Celestia and Luna's male counterparts. I would imagine that if they ever make an appearance in the show they would end up being villains.
I think Cadence is Celestia's daughter but they just covered it up though lol
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YoungAngelStocking Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I'm kind of butting into this conversation, but I only heard that Cadence was Celestia's niece, so I assumed she was Luna's daughter
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TheTwilightDancer Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Makes you wonder huh? I even saw something about Twilight discovering a "dark secret" about Cadence in part 2 of Cadence's starring episode. Forget what it's called....
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Cuddlepug Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2012
No, she's like, some disease upon the show.
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pootiet12345 Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
so is she celestia's bastard daughter that she had with some mule?
or is she not even related to the royal sisters?
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Cuddlepug Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2012
In all fairness, I don't think that anybody knows quite what role she'll play yet. Which is why getting upset about her is silly at this point.
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pootiet12345 Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
well if celestia is over a thousand years old then i suppose she has probably had at least a couple of kids by now, probably makes them dignitaries or something
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Midnight-Cobra Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
May I make a counterpoint or four, or will I simply be blasted down in a torrent of flames if I even try to say anything negative about the introduction of this character?
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Cuddlepug Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2012
Now that I've got your other comment out of the way (why you resorted to insulting me personally is beyond me, seeing as I merely represent a different side of the fandom) feel free to make your points. I will gladly reply to them.
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Midnight-Cobra Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Alright, well... first of all, sorry about that. I was not having a good day, and I dunno, something in those last two paragraphs must have struck a nerve.



But anyway... I have a few points about Cadence that I simply don't like.

Now while I concede the point that it can be argued the show isn't contradicting its own lore, there is something of an issue of just how little sense that Cadence makes in the context of the show. Let's face it, by the time Cadence rolls around in the show, at least 50 episodes will have played, possibly more. Even if we don't believe that Alicorns are deities, they are at the very least incredibly powerful sorcerers with the ability to directly control heavenly bodies by themselves. I'm going to need some decent explanation as to just how everybody 'forgot' that this third ultra-powerful being existed for 50 episodes, because at the moment, she seems incredibly shoed in.

More than that, though, I'm wary about what she does to Celestia and Luna. TO me, Celestia and Luna are by far the most interesting characters of the show, as they are thousands of years old, benevolent rulers, somehow have a hand in everything that goes on in Equestria, and yet, we know almost nothing about them. They're very SPECIAL characters.
By introducing a third alicorn, you run the risk of messing this feeling of mysteriousness and great power up and replacing it with something mundane and underwhelming. Do you remember how interesting and fascinating the Clone Wars and Anakin's downfall in Star Wars were before we actually got to see them and found out how much it all sucked? Well... now think about what we might learn with Cadence coming around. Now think about the sad truth that it will probably never live up to your expectations.

And she isn't a character they can just throw away, either. Introducing an outright goddess (or even just an ultra-powerful sorceress) and then tossing her away, while it might help fans that dislike her to forget about her and move on, would be an insult to viewers' intelligence. That's not something you can just ignore. You'll have opened a whole new world, and now you'll have to live in it.

And you can't claim that Alicorns are just normal. If they were just normal and the princesses merely happened to be Alicorns, then wouldn't there be a lot more of them running around? And don't bring up the little filly in magic kindergarten, because that was an animation error. Simply by nature of their elusiveness, they are special. But by bringing in a third one, you're reducing their specialness by 50%.

Furthermore, there's a certain balance that Celestia and Luna have. They're the heralds of the sun and moon. Light and dark. Day and night. Yin and Yang. There's a good balance there that they carry and it works very well and helps to strengthen the lore we already know and further helps to portray a sense of great power.
Cadence throws off this balance. Not only does it upset the nature of Yin and Yang simply by being a third wheel, but it's even worse simply given her name. 'Cadence.' It means rhythm and flow. If they had kept with a heavenly body motif like they did with Celestia and Luna... maybe called her Astra or Gaia, they'd at least keep the theme, but they're throwing out balance and theme with this new character.

Now. They're risking characters... breaking balance... and breaking theme. But that's not even where it ends. On top of all that, there's the fact that she's alone in this. I would actually be willing to accept it better if they introduced a whole Greek Pantheon or something. Like a herald of fire, water, earth, wind, music, nature, ice... so on and so forth. That would be cool. But just introducing Cadence alone makes her stick out like a sore thumb. As something that simply feels like she doesn't belong.

In fact, if they even introduced ONE more alicorn in this case, it would help. I would be much more open to Cadence if Shining Armor was an Alicorn too. Especially since there's a serious undertone of sexism to Cadence. Let's face it. All the alicorns so far have been female. On top of the seriously skewed gender ratio in MLP, there seems to be some undertone of female superiority to this here, given how her husband is merely a normal unicorn. Now I'm a feminist, but that means I believe in Gender EQUALITY. And while I understand that this is a show for young girls, shouldn't we be teaching young girls about equality, not that they're somehow superior? that isn't right.

And furthermore, there's the fact that if she didn't have wings and a horn, it would be a self esteem boost to young girls. As it is, there's an undertone of elitism as well. 'Sorry little Suzie, but unless you have both wings AND a horn, you can never be a princess in Equestria.' What kind of message is that?

And on top of everything else... her design is incredibly garish and lazy. Those colors are a major eyesore and she looks like a recolored Celestia. She looks like the definition of bad OC

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Now look... the thing is, while I trust the writers of the show, and I think they can do some really great work... I DON'T trust the marketing department that has obviously got a hand in this. Let's face it, if you hand a master painter a puddle of spooge to paint with, he might be able to make a nice looking painting out of it, but it's still going to be made of spooge. I trust the writers of the show to do their very best with this, but I'm still dubious that, given how the character seems at first glance, it's going to even be good enough.

I'll openly admit that I don't really KNOW anything about the character. I would love to watch that episode and find myself blown away and have a new favorite character in Cadence and realize that I've been wrong the whole time. I'm going to give Cadence the chance to surprise me... but when people say that the character 'Sounds Concerning...'
...well, let's face it. One of the highest up things on the TVTropes page for 'Jump the Shark' is A New Character is Introduced.

Also, you may want to reconsider the invalidity of the word Alicorn. Alicorn is a legitimate thing to call them due to being derived from the latin words ala, meaning wing, and corn meaning horn. Furthermore, Bronies are not the first to use this term. It was used in the 1984 book 'Bearing an Hourglass' by Piers Anthony. On top of that, in the mythology of Cantabria, there is a flying unicorn with wings on its hooves known as El Alicornio. While there's no basis for the word Alicorn other than being what a unicorn's horn is made of in mythology, it HAS been used before and DOES make sense.

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Komo-Pineconeseed Featured By Owner Sep 22, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Very well put, my dear. There's just two things I feel obliged to bring up. First of all, yin is the Chinese word for darkness, and yang for brightness. It feels like every English/non-Chinese speaker I've run into gets the two confused.

Second, I'm not sure how Cadence being an alicorn makes her more powerful than Shining Armor since she was clearly not in the episode. Then again, I've seen the episode and you wrote this prior to its airing (if my research is correct), so I'm not sure if your opinion has changed.

But everything else was wonderfully put. Kudos to you!
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Midnight-Cobra Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
You know what, nevermind. It's obvious from the last two paragraphs that I simply don't like the show, am utterly obsessed with the fandom, and am some sort of whining, obsessive compulsive fanfiction writer that calls the show out on its own canon and has no faith in the shows writers.

Nice generalizations there, Cudpug. Stay Classy.
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Cuddlepug Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2012
I'm not entirely sure why you're upset. You have every right to make your counterpoints. I even used the word 'generalised' in the second but last paragraph in order to suggest that it's certainly not every brony but rather a homogenized set of fandom-imposed rules. If you have reasonable responses, by all means make them. Making some sarcastic follow-up remark seems unnecessary, seeing as I've shown little to no hostility towards you.

Care to share your opinions? I'd be interested to see your argument.
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mangaturtle Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The backlash is against OC "Alicorns" as they are portrayed as high powered royalty in the series, to have an Alicorn OC is far too over powered and "Mary Sue" What Hasbro and the writers do is canon. that includes introduction of new characters, including Alicorns. Most fans stand against Alicorns only if it's an OC. fan characters, especially ones that serve as avatars of the fan into the fictional world, cannot be over powered and can not change the canon of the series, or they become Mary Sues.
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